understanding what the early pioneers believed and to understand for myself what and why certain issues are important.
i repeat here the beliefs of the early SDA pioneers that have been spurned so that the teaching of Catholicism can have firm hold on our SDA church:
1872 BELIEFS of SDA Church
I. That there is one God, a personal, spiritual being, the creator of all things, omnipotent, omniscient, and eternal, infinite in wisdom, holiness, justice, goodness, truth, and mercy; unchangeable, and everywhere present by his representative, the Holy Spirit. Ps. 139:7.
II. That there is one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Eternal Father, the one by whom God created all things, and by whom they do consist; that he took on him the nature of the seed of Abraham for the redemption of our fallen race; that he dwelt among men full of grace and truth, lived our example, died our sacrifice, was raised for our justification, ascended on high to be our only mediator in the sanctuary in Heaven, where, with his own blood he makes atonement for our sins; which atonement so far from being made on the cross, which was but the offering of the sacrifice, is the very last portion of his work as priest according to the example of the Levitical priesthood, which foreshadowed and prefigured the ministry of our Lord in Heaven. See Lev. 16; Heb. 8:4, 5; 9:6, 7; &c.
III. That the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments, were given by inspiration of God, contain a full revelation of his will to man, and are the only infallible rule of faith and practice.
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This is a response to my pastors sermon, perhaps it may help you also:
Does Jesus save you when you are in sin or does He wait until you are perfect? Sermon Question 4.27.13
The main text used to support the idea that one can be saved in sin is Romans 5:8 “But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.” God makes a provision for us by his death, but it does not save us until we accept it by 1. Recognizing our need (being drawn to Christ) 2. Sorrow for sin that leads to repentance 3. Confession 4. A turning away from sin. (Often points 2 & 3 are concurrent)
We do not even know we have a problem until we behold ourselves in comparison to the Law (James 1: 22,24) our sin problem is made obvious ( point 1) ( Mark 13:5, Luke 17: 3, Acts 2: 38, Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord & Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. There are many texts that seem to indicate that if one does 1 certain thing they will be saved, but have we forgotten Isaiah 28: 9, 10? The need to compare scripture to scripture and establish a doctrine by the weight of evidence. We do not base a doctrine on any one text in the Bible. Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Are we saved before we are forgiven? Be careful and think about your answer. When one has the realization that they are a sinner, and that Jesus died in their place. They have to do something to place their own sins on
Christ and that is Repent… at the moment they repent, what happens? They Repent, in that instant of sincere repentance they are forgiven, the Robe of Christ’s righteousness covers them and they are treated just as if they had not sinned. So the question asked at the beginning is actually a question based on a false premise because the answer is neither of the 2 choices given. We are never saved in our sins. Either Jesus blood is covering our past sins [justification] Romans 3:25 or we have overcome them by the blood of the lamb through His grace (power of the Holy Spirit) [sanctification] Revelation 3:5, 12, 21 No matter how “gogood one becomes, they can never atone for any sins or overcome sin because that is available only to those who have accepted Jesus Power through the Holy Spirit by becoming partakers of the Divine nature. (2 Peter 1: 3, 4) the answer is that Jesus Robe of Righteousness covers our past sins and we are deemed perfect by Him because the Father sees Jesus blood and not our past lives of sin. [ Jeremiah 31: 34] So yes we are perfect, but it is not our own perfection. All we can do is be sincere in our repentance. Then what does Jesus ask of us? John 5: 14; 8:11 “go, sin no more” Is the repentance sincere if one is practicing known sins? Hebrews 10: 26 Is the repentance sincere if they make provision for the flesh? (just in case they are tempted?) Romans 13:14 /
The basic belief based on the false premise is this: that one is guilty apart from choice and thus always sinning.
This teaching emanates from Augustinian theory accepted and promulgated by the Catholic church & because of this they believe in the Immaculate Conception because of the teaching that a sinful nature makes one guilty of sin. This is not what the Bible teaches but what institutions of “higher learning” teach. If one follows this logic, then one should also practice infant baptism to be consistent. If sin is transgression of the law (1 John 3: 4) and where no law is present there is no transgression (i.e. sin) [Rom 5: 13] then it impossible to sin without the law, thus having a sinful nature does not make one guilty of sin. We have a choice and that makes us a sinner, if we are sinners apart from choice all we could be is forgiven. If that were the case, why be an SDA? Because it is good to please God? Why worry about any particular commandment KJV Heb. 2: 4-16; &4:15; Rom 8:3; 1 Jn 4:3; 1 Corinthians 10: 13; 2 Cor. 10: 5; James 1: 12, Jude 24; 1 John 1:7, 9; Rev. 1:5; Matt. 1:21 , 1 Kings 8:35, Ps. 19:13, Ps 51:2&9, Is. 59:2, Jer. 33:8, Eze. 3:20, Eze. 18:21-24, Eze. 33:14, Acts 11:18, Acts 26:18 Rom.6:7-22, 1 Pet. 4:1, 2 Pet. 1:9, Heb. 4: 15
Read Steps to Christ.
Sinners can be justified by God only when He pardons their sins, remits the punishment they deserve, and treats them as though they were really just and had not sinned, receiving them into divine favor and treating them as if they were righteous. They are justified alone through the imputed righteousness of Christ. The Father accepts the Son, and through the atoning sacrifice of His Son accepts the sinner. OHC 52
Before baptism there should be a thorough inquiry as to the experience of the candidate. Let this inquiry be made, not in a cold and distant way, but kindly, tenderly, pointing the new converts to the Lamb of God, who taketh away the sin of the world. Bring the requirement of the gospel to bear upon the candidates for baptism. Christ is represented as bearing the griefs and sorrows caused by sin, and he does this, not only as our sympathizing friend, but as our substitute. Therefore our sins of selfishness, of unamiable temper, of indolence, of wrong habits and practices, are to be positively and firmly put away. The one who breaks with bearer, "wounded for our transgressions, bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed." "Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses." All this is done for the sinner, and as the sinner comes to Christ, helpless, penitent, and humble; as he views the expensive expiation made in his behalf, let the repenting soul lay hold by faith of the provision made to save him, not in his sin, but from his sin. Christ as the sin-bearer must take away the sin and rescue the sinner from his morbid spiritual condition. As he asks for a change of heart, the answer comes, "My son, give me thine heart." "A new heart will I give thee." I will restore you to a pure, holy atmosphere, that you, being dead to sin, may live unto righteousness. 6 Manuscript Releases 157
The righteousness of Christ will not cover one cherished sin. A man may be a law-breaker in heart; yet if he commits no outward act of transgression, he may be regarded by the world as possessing great integrity. But God's law looks into the secrets of the heart. Every act is judged by the motives that prompt it. Only that which is in accord with the principles of God's law will stand in the judgment. COL 316.
The Saviour's promise is given on condition. "If ye love Me," He says, "keep My commandments." He saves men, not in sin, but from sin; and those who love Him will show their love by obedience. All true obedience comes from the heart. It was heart work with Christ. And if we consent, He will so identify Himself with our thoughts and aims, so blend our hearts and minds into conformity to His will, that when obeying Him we shall be but carrying out our own impulses. The will, refined and sanctified, will find its highest delight in doing His service. When we know God as it is our privilege to know Him, our life will be a life of continual obedience. Through an appreciation of the character of Christ, through communion with God, sin will become hateful to us. DA 668.
The strongest temptation can not excuse sin. However great the pressure brought to bear upon the soul, transgression is our own act. It is not in the power of earth or hell to compel any one to do evil. Satan attacks us at our weakest points, but we need not be overcome. However severe or unexpected the attack, God has provided help for us, and in his strength we may conquer. In the hour of greatest need when discouragement overwhelms the soul, then it is that Jesus comes very near. The hour of man's necessity is God's opportunity. He sees our danger and provides help for us. Unseen by us, he saves us from the foe. Let us praise him at all times. He is always near us, and he never fails to send us help in every time of need. RH, April 18, 1907
1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son [to be] the propitiation for our sins. 4:11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another. 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us. 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit. 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son [to be] the Saviour of the world. 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him. 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world. 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us. 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? 4:21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also. 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, [even] our faith. Rev. 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my new name. 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. Heb. 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as [we are, yet] without sin. 2:16 For verily he took not on [him the nature of] angels; but he took on [him] the seed of Abraham. 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto [his] brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things [pertaining] to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. Rom. 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: (the word flesh in Roman is the same as flesh in 1Jn 4:3 & 2 Jn 1:7 it is the Greek word Sarx, being defined: Prone to sin, innate desire to sin. John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. Answer the question for yourself , was Jesus born with a sinful or sinless nature? The Roman Catholic catechism states he took sinless nature. Reread 1st part of this paper, it is from the word of God. Do not let preconceived ideas define your answer. Some think that sin is part of our nature, but that is not what 1 John 3:4 or Romans 4:15 says “Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.” So without the law there is no sin, therefore we do not sin because of the natures that we possess, but by the choices we make!
end. the above is the Nature of Christ with just Bible texts, here is a study including SOP.